I'll probably expand more on these themes as I continue blogging, but here's a quick(!) summary of some things I'd like to address. Most of the time I encounter them online, either because my friends and coworkers rock, or they're scared I'll whip out my Vegan Hammer of Justice
tm.
1) Vegans are hypocrites because they hurt plants which are living things.(I have heard this phrased as a genuine, intelligent question, so unlike some of the other items, it's not simply a knee-jerk defense for meat eating)
Yes, we kill plants. Plants cannot suffer like animals because they have no nervous system or ability to feel pain. By eating the plants directly, we kill fewer than a meat eater who kills all the plants the animal ate, plus then kills the animal on top of that. Vegans do not claim to cause zero suffering, we only try to minimize the suffering we cause. Humans cannot eat rocks or photosynthesize, so we do the best we can to harm as little as possible, given the bodily requirements we have.
2) Vegans are hypocrites because they don't respect the decision to eat meat, but they expect everyone else to respect their veganism.I respect many people who choose to eat meat. Almost everyone I care about eats meat, and they are good, kind people. However, while I love and respect those people, I cannot respect raising animals in intensive confinement or slaughtering them in inefficient slaughterhouses. So by extension, I do not respect the choice to support the industry. I do not limit my love to only people who are "perfect" by my definition. I am far from perfect, and I want to be loved just as I am - faults and imperfections included. I can respect a person without respecting everything they do.
3) People are more important than animals, so although vegans may mean well, their priorities are out of whack. If only they focused their energy on human problems, they could do more good. There is no reason a vegan cannot do humanitarian work. It's not an either-or situation. There is absolutely nothing about helping humans that requires you to support animal cruelty. The only possible exception I can see is if you're doing some humanitarian work in some remote area and must eat meat or you'll suffer malnutrition. So far, I have never met someone in this position, and the idea that "humans come first" is only used as an excuse to continue supporting a cruel industry.
A similar idea is that someone will go vegan once world peace, starvation and other terrible human problems are solved. This is called "keeping things in perspective." By this same logic, we should not work on adult literacy or donate to Toys for Tots or Make a Wish because they aren't as critical as starvation and war.
If we wait for all the big problems of the world to end before we start doing anything, we'll wait forever. Similarly, if we wait until after we have time to volunteer to help the homeless and give a percentage of our salary to charity before we go vegan, we're missing a great opportunity to help without costing extra money or time.
Now, if someone is doing activist work, then yes, you have to choose between using your limited time for animals or humans. Although, getting people to go vegan helps humans in many ways (health, environment,
working conditions). But eating a vegan diet and purchasing vegan items in no way detracts from human causes, and indirectly helps more people than a diet that includes meat.
4) Vegans think they're perfect, and they're not because they cause death through their lives too. None of them are really vegan because everything contains animal products. Plants were fertilized with manure. Snakes and mice died when their plants were harvested.I've never talked to any vegan who thought they were perfect. All were quite aware of the suffering they caused, and did what they could to minimize it. I think there's some kind of projection going on with people thinking that vegans are suffering some kind of monk-like deprivation, therefore we must think we're superior to the rest of humanity. This is true in some cases. Some vegans are self-righteous pains in the ass. Most are not .
Just because we can't be perfect is no excuse to do nothing.
5) Vegans are hypocrites because they would take medicine that was tested on animals if they had cancer. They'd also eat meat if there was a famine. And they'd wear fur if they were freezing.In life-or-death situations, yes, I'll harm animals. I'll also probably harm humans. I don't know. This does not negate my efforts to end animal agriculture. In one situation, harming animals is necessary for me to live or function, the other situation is purely an issue of personal pleasure. They are not ethically equivalent.
If extreme hypothetical situations are the only ones in which it is ok to support harming animals, then that proves my point.
6) Vegans are hypocrites because they talk about compassion, but then they get all angry at meat eaters, who are nice people. That's not compassionate.I think people are mixing up vegans and saints. The stereotype of the angry vegan exists for a reason. Seeing suffering and being with people who knowingly cause it can be painful. It can bring on lots of difficult emotions, including sorrow, frustration, and anger. Vegans are flawed and human, and their anger is just their reaction to seeing such extreme cruelty that it cries out for justice. The horror and pain can get raw, and not everyone can be calm and smiling when they feel those emotions.
The anger is a product of empathizing with the victims. It is a sign of humanity, not the opposite.
This does not mean that they should scream at people and be jerks about it though.
7) Vegans think they are better than the great religious leaders. Jesus ate fish, the Buddha, Moses, and Mohammad ate meat, etc. No religion condemns meat eating, so why make a big deal out of it?Back when these religious leaders were walking the earth, things like beating people to a pulp and nailing them to crosses was standard. (Yes, I am aware the Buddha and Moses lived before Jesus, and I have no idea about what horrors their world held.) The world was incredibly violent. Just getting people to treat each other with compassion was a huge deal. Nowadays, nailing people to things is horrific. Our ability to feel compassion has extended to people of other races and cultures, to women, the disabled, prostitutes, the mentally ill - to groups that were condemned or ignored in the past. Our compassion can extend to animals without contradicting religious teachings - in fact, compassion for the weak and vulnerable is the natural extension of the teachings of all great religious and moral leaders.
A second factor is factory farming. In ancient times, the cruelty involved in modern animal agriculture did not exist. Apply this simple test - imagine your prophet/deity/leader. What would he say if you stood side by side with him while cows were cut up alive or male chicks were ground up, suffocated or crushed to death? What would he choose to do - support it, or boycott it?
7.1) God gave us the animals to use as we saw fit. If I don't eat meat, it's rejecting God's gift.My quick answer - is dominion about being a caretaker and showing mercy? Or is it about tormenting stupid creatures because it gives us physical pleasure to eat them?
I don't think religion/spirituality is supposed to be about finding loopholes to allow us to cause suffering.
If animals are a "gift," so are children and sunsets and golden retrievers. You don't have to destroy a gift to enjoy it. Go to a farm sanctuary and rub a piglet belly. Now there's a gift.
For more info:
Honoring God's Creation from
Christian Vegetarian SocietyJewish VegIslam and VegetarianismBuddhism Resources on Vegetarianism and Animal Welfare*Hinduism and Vegetarianism**Hindus and Buddhists have such a long tradition of vegetarianism within their religions, that I recommend googling on your own.
7.2) If I am thankful to the animal, and respect its spirit, then it's ok to eat it. (Variation: If I say a prayer of thanks, it's ok)If I hang a dog by its hind legs, and then start cutting it up alive, is that ok if I respect the dog's spirit? Is it ok to raise a cat in a tiny box where it can never turn around if I say a prayer of thanks?
Is it ok if I pay someone else to do these things if I don't see it happen?
What if it's a really dumb dog or cat? How about a goat?
To say you "respect the animal's spirit" is invoking a particularly odious kind of self-serving pseudo-Native American spirituality. The Native Americans had to kill to eat. Plus, they did it themselves. We pay people to do things we'd never do ourselves, and then try to justify it by saying we respect the animal.
If you respect the animal so much, how about not paying people to torture the poor thing?
As for saying a prayer of thanks, you can be thankful for the thousands of marvelous plant-based foods that we have. I'm especially thankful that I can access hundreds of types of food at my local market and get tons of vegan recipes online. Ancient people had no such luxury.
8) Vegans talk about compassion, but what about compassion for animal farmers? Driving them out of business is terrible. They have families to feed.Most vegans don't hate slaughterhouse workers or those who depend on animal agriculture to make a living. I feel pity for the people who are forced to do those things. In their eyes, they have to do it or they can't feed their families. That's not a situation I'd wish on anyone.
But that doesn't mean I won't try to end animal agriculture. People are continually being driven out of business by the march of progress. Tobacco and cotton farmers went out of business when slavery ended. The automobile and computers drove others out of business. Women entering the workforce caused other upheavals.
It's not an easy situation, but I cannot justify supporting cruelty on the basis of keeping things the way they are.
9) Vegans ignore science and history. We have pointy canine teeth. Our ancestors ate meat.Yes, we have four little pointy teeth (they're called cuspids - the term "canine" is just because they look like dog teeth). When you eat your steak, what do you do - tear it with your little canines and bolt it, or grind it up on your molars? In primates, the cuspids are often used for display or defense. Take a look at our friend the gorilla. Those cuspids are huge, but gorillas are herbivores. Chimpanzees, our closest relative, are omnivores, but only a tiny part of their diet is meat. (Jane Goodall, who knows more about chimpanzees than anyone, is a vegetarian.)
There's some debate about
whether humans are omnivores or herbivores (scroll to the bottom for a summary). Either way, we certainly are capable of digesting meat. But we don't have to eat it to be healthy. We can be herbivores by choice, so meat eating is a choice, not a necessity.
from American Dietetic Association:
Well-planned vegan and lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy and lactation. Appropriately planned vegan and lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets satisfy nutrient needs of infants, children, and adolescents and promote normal growth.And it's crap to say we're honoring our ancestors by eating meat. It's not like the cows will rise up and take revenge for millennia of bovicide if we don't keep them in line by eating them. Our ancestors ate meat because they had to. If they hadn't, our species would have died out long ago. Some people in the modern world have no choice because they are living in famine conditions. The rest of us do have a choice.
To turn it into some issue of gratitude to our ancestors is just another way of trying to justify hurting things for pleasure.
10) If everyone went vegan today, we'd have animal overpopulation problems. We'd be overrun with farm animals. It's a simple fact that the world won't go vegan overnight. The change will be gradual. My little nuclear family spares approximately 400 animals per year. Is there a field somewhere with 800 extra animals from the 2 years we've been vegan? Nope.
It's all about supply and demand. Demand will decrease gradually.
And if we want to visit Bizarro Hypothetical Land - if everyone suddenly became vegan, we could convert all those government grazing subsidies into animal sanctuary funds.
11) If vegans are so obsessed with not causing harm, why don't they just kill themselves so they don't harm anything any more?We won't have to kill ourselves. Your stupid Avian Flu will kill plenty of us because you won't stop raising birds in overcrowded conditions.
Just kidding.
Wait. No, I'm not.